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Photo:My grandfather, Charles William Gravett

My grandfather, Charles William Gravett

Photo suppled by my mum Winnie, who dug all our history out of the blitzed ruin of 40, Sussex Terrace 1942

Photo:Grandad and Nan Edith Gravett (nee) Willard

Grandad and Nan Edith Gravett (nee) Willard

Photo supplied by my mum Winnie and her shovel

Photo:My Nan, who made sure all the surviving family had a home to come back to before dying just after WW2

My Nan, who made sure all the surviving family had a home to come back to before dying just after WW2

Photo supplied by my mum, Winnie

Gravett family
By Patrick Collins (Catswhiskas)

The first child that lived - or at least the first one I know of - was my Granddad Charles William. He was born in 1871 at the family home at 15 Tidy Street. After that came Alfred in 1874, Nelly in 1876, Ernest in 1879, and Nora in 1881. I know there were others, but if they lived, all pictures were lost when our house was bombed in 1942. Also living at the house was William's niece Frances C Wingfield, who was born in 1871. My great-great-granddad William worked as a greengrocer's assistant, and eventually became a partner I think, as my Granddad owned it later on.

My Grandad Charles
As my Granddad Charles got older he eventually decided that he needed a bit more adventure and decided to enlist in the army as a Donkey Whollapper or Lancer to the rest of the Army. On the 23rd April 1889 he enlisted in The 5th Royal Irish Lancers. He was 18 years and 4 months old. This is a photo taken not that long after he joined. But I'm jumping ahead of myself, because on Christmas Day 1894 (another present saved!) along with about six other couples a mass wedding took place at St Peter's Church Brighton and he married the beautiful (she told me herself) Edith Willard of Queens Park Rd Brighton. I don't have a picture of my Grandmother at this time but will put photos of them both in their middle age further on.

South African War
My Granddad Charles served in the South African war where he was wounded and discharged. However, he was recalled less than a month later and went straight back again. After serving for another two years, he left the army with his little clutch of medals and returned to his home at 70 Franklin Rd Brighton. He had been busy in the family producing department. By 1902, when he returned home, he had at least two children, Charlie and George, and two or more who died at birth.

Emigrated to Australia
Charlie served in the first war and was very badly shell shocked and stuttered terribly. After he married, he lived on Bonchurch Road. George lived in Whitehawk up until the late 40s and then went to live in Australia. Before I get too far ahead these are some photos of my Granddad and Nan in about the 1920s. He died just after the Wall Street crash in America, which nearly made him go out of business.

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Comments:

Regarding this web page about the name 'Gravett'. Not a common name but, if one goes back in my family tree to 1688, a James Larbey married a Mary Gravett. Any relation do you think?

By George Larbey (11/11/2006)

Hello George. I have only got as far back as the 1800s but, who knows, it's possible. Once I get all the stuff I am trying to decipher from my Mum's diaries etc onto this site, maybe something will turn up. By the look of my family's noses on the photos I keep finding, they must go back to some Roman invaders I think (no offence to the Italians intended). Do you live in Brighton?

By Patrick Collins (Catswhiskas) (12/11/2006)

Hi Patrick. No, I live in Hampshire. Know Brighton quite well. My wife's family started off there and were married in St Barts on the London Road in 1927. We love that church - the choir is fantastic.
My family started off in France and came over in the 1500s to make iron. (Men of steel)

By George Larbey (15/11/2006)

Hi George. I was a choirboy at St Barts late 40s early 50s and also at St Peters. I went to St Barts school as well - not a very happy time I must say. Don't know when my family came over, probably with William the Conquerer I expect to make trouble ('Men of Normandie').  "Mind that arrow Harold,  it'll ave yer eye out."

By Patrick Collins(Catswhiskas) (17/11/2006)

I have found William Gravett (son of Charles Gravett) in my family tree. He married my Great Aunt, Ellen Redman in 1871 at St. Nicholas church. Her father was William James Redman a fruiterer/florist. Ellen's brother Alfred John Redman was my Great Grandfather and worked as a draper at Hanningtons.

By Geraldine (27/11/2006)

Hi Geraldine. We are related as Ellen was my Great Grandmother and Charles pictured above was her son. If you could get in touch with Jennifer at jennifer@mybrightonandhove.org.uk who is on the team of this site, she can with my permission give you my personal email address.  I'm sure I have some pictures and facts you would be interested in, including some pictures of your side of the family I think. My grandad pictured above was also a fruiterer and a partner in Gravett, Roberts and Levitt wholesale fruiterers, Brighton Hope to get in touch soon.

By Patrick Collins(Catswhiskas) (29/11/2006)

My family come from Brighton, indeed I still have relatives living there. I can't find your Gravetts directly in my family tree, but I am sure they fit in somewhere as there are so many branches of 7 or so children to trace down from, I cannot follow all paths. However, the names William & George figure heavily and my family lived in the Whitehawk, later Moulsecomb areas among others. The Gravetts moved to Brighton in 1851, previously many lived in Surrey/Sussex etc. I can trace my line back directly to mid 1500's. If you can provide any further relatives names and details before, or around those mentioned here , I might be able to help. My e-mail address is andrew@gravett.fslife.co.uk

By Andrew Gravett (04/12/2006)

I'd like to find descendants of my husband's aunt & uncle. His aunt, Bertha Eileen Mary Bonney (known as Eileen) married Bill GRAVETT during WWII in London. We believe they had children Henry Bill, Eleanor & Ken. One story is that Bill Gravett was a Canadian Air Force member & that he returned with his unit after the war & Eileen & children went later. Eileen married a few times but she only had children to this first marriage. We know nothing more of Bill Gravett.

By Denyse Bonney (31/12/2006)

I was a boy living in Sussex Square in 1947-53 and my father knew a Mr Gravett who I think lived in Whitehawk and drove a No 1 or No 3 bus, both of which terminated in Whitehawk. The registration number of the bus he often drove was CPM 16, which I often used to look out for when it stopped in Eastern Road by Sussex Square/Lewes Crescent, where he always gave me a wave. I seem to remember my father telling me that he did in fact emigrate to Australia about 1949. My father may have known him from being fellow members of the Brighton Labour Club in London Road, where I was often taken on a Saturday evening to the the concert room at the back of the club. Would that bus driver have been George Gravett?

By Vic Bath (07/01/2007)

That would have been my Uncle George Gravett who went to live in Australia at that time. He died a few years ago but his sister still lives near the Sussex County Hospital.I still have his pictures from his going away party in Whitehawk.

By Patrick Collins(catswhiskas) (09/01/2007)

One of my distant relatives, Edith Bushby married Ernest Gravett, the son of William Gravett and Ellen Redman at Church of the Annunciation in Hanover in 1897. Edith's Father, William Bushby and her Grandfather George, were also fruiterers and greengrocers in Cheapside and London Road, Brighton
in 1860 - 1880s.

By Davidii (12/07/2007)

Must be related in some way then. If you want any pictures sending through of some of the past Gravetts just ask Jennifer for my email address and I will copy some for you. Regards .Pat.

By Patrick Collins(Catswhiskas) (22/07/2007)

My great, great, great grandfather's second wife was Frances Tully. Before she was married, Frances had one daughter, Frances Dunn Tully. Frances Dunn Tully married William James Redman and was Ellen Redman's mother. My relatives also lived in Tidy Street and ran the public house at number 23.

By Susan Cudmore (28/07/2007)

In response to Patrick Collins' comment of 09/01//2007 - I would very much like to be sent some copies of the photographs that he mentioned of the going-away party in Whitehawk. It is quite possible that my parents went to that event. My address is vic.bath@ukgateway.net.

By Vic Bath (08/10/2007)

My GGGrandparents were William James Redman and Fanny Dunn Tully (Susan 28/7/07) My GGrandfather Alfred John Redman (Ellen's brother) was a draper at Hanningtons store. Lucy Redman, my grandmother, married into Light family - tailors (and boot makers) in Camelford Street, Cranbourne Street etc.

By Geraldine (24/10/2007)

I wonder if it is possible that the Gravett family you are related to could be same as mine? My fore fathers were settlers by the name of William Gravett and George Taht who sailed from England. I am trying to trace their heritage back to England hope you can be of assistance.

By Jacques Bronkhorst (20/11/2007)

May I add the Taylor connection to your Gravett stories? Fanny Dunn Tully's mother married Robert Taylor in 1848, the beerhouse keeper at 23 Tidy Street, Brighton. After he dies she is listed as Proprietor in 1871, with a young William Redman living there. I have extensive information on the Taylors to share, but for now, here are the connections between Taylors, Tullys and Gravetts. Frances Anne Tully - Frances was an unmarried mother, quite scandalous at the time, especially as she was aged 26 when she had her daughter. No father is listed, but the middle name DUNN gives a clue as to who Fanny's father was. When Robert Taylor marries Frances in 1848 Fanny is 16 years old. When Robert dies in 1871 Frances (aged 65) is taken in by other family members, but by 1891 she is in the Workhouse, described as "pauper and imbecile" - probably suffering from dementia.
1841 - dressmaker, Hood St Brighton, with Fanny, brother Edwin Tully (b 1816 in Sussex, butcher) and mother (also) Frances Tully
1851 - 23 Tidy St Brighton with Robert - age 45
1861 - 23 Tidy St Brighton, with Robert - age 55
1871 - 23 Tidy St, Brighton, with daughter Mary A. Taylor, and visitor, William Redman, greengrocer, age 16
1881 - retired publican, living with Gravett family at 15 Tidy St, Brighton, as grandmother - age 75
1891 - pauper, imbecile (b in Lindfield Sussex) - age 88
Fanny Dunn Tully
b May, 1832, christened 20 May 1832 at St Nicholas CoE, Brighton
d September q 1864 in Brighton
mother: Frances Tully,
NO FATHER listed
m December q 1849 to
William James REDMAN ,
b abt 1830 in Brighton
d March q 1883 at Steyning ? FREEBMD
1861 - fruiterer, 26 Tidy St
1881 - fruiterer, 2 Rose Hill Terrace,
children:
1. Frances Jemima
2. Ellen
b 8 February, 1852
m in March q 1871 St Nicholas Brighton to
William GRAVETT,
b abt 1851
d March q 1887 at Steyning
- Charles William (1872)
- Alfred H. (1874)
- Nelly (1876)
- Ernest (1879)
- Norah (November, 1880)
- Minnie (1885)
- Herbert G. (1888)
- Lillian D. (September, 1890)
3. William J. b abt 1855
1881 - greengrocer's assistant
1891 - greengrocers assistant, 38 Belgrave St, Brighton
1901 - fruiterer
m to Elizabeth Someone
b abt 1865 in Horsham Sussex
- William J. E. (1889)
4. Frederick Henry, b abt 1856 in Brighton1891 - fruiterers Salesman, 101 Carlton Hill
m in March q 1876 to Louisa RYDE
b abt 1853
d December q 1890 at Steyning
- Frederick E (1877)
- Florence E. (1879)
- Alice (1882)
- Daisy E.A. (1888)
m2 in September q 1891 to Ellen Louise George
5. Alfred John b abt 1860 in Brighton
William James REDMAN m 2nd wife
Georgiana, had 3 chn
- Emily Anne,
- Margaret Georgiana &
- Florence Alice

By Mark Taylor (08/02/2008)

My great grandmother, Winifred Richardson (nee Gravett), was born in Brighton in 1879. Her parents were Morris Edwin Gravett and Elizabeth Holden. Along with my cousin I run a small Gravett research group and this year we will be holding our seventh Gravett family reunion. Through various sources we've traced the Gravett family back to the early 16th century and possibly a bit earlier. As your Gravetts and mine are both from the Brighton area there is a possibility they are related in someway. I'm happy to share info with you.  Please get in touch by email, especially if you'd like to attend the Gravett Gathering this year.  matthewsdonovan@hotmail.com

By Matt Donovan (26/05/2008)

Hello Pat, It's your cousin Gillian! Debs sent me this link and we've probably got shed loads of photos and memories/info to contribute. I know Dad was working on a family tree and it's in his things (that we're still sorting out). Fancy keeping in touch?

By Jill Palmer (nee Gravett) (13/07/2008)

I never knew there were so many Gravetts! I am the grandaughter of Alf and Peggy Gravett, and the daughter of Peter and Jill Early and have lived in Brighton all of my life. It's a real surprise to know there are so many branches on the family tree!

By Bonnie (13/07/2008)

Hiya Jill. Bonnie and Debs. Nice to know your still around as I lost all contact with the family after mum died 3 years ago, I now live on a farm near Skegness Lincs, Would love to see you all again. I have asked Jennifer to let you have my email address so if you contact her on this site she will tell you jennifer@mybrightonandhove.org.uk  Maybe we can get a meeting arranged ? Hope to hear from you soon. Pat

By Pat Collins(Catswhiskas) (19/07/2008)

This is fascinating. For years I've been under the impression that our branch of the Gravett family was the only one in Brighton.
I don't know much of the history, but my grandparents are Gloria & Jim Gravett, had 5 children, Linda, James (Robert by birth), Carol, David & Dawn. James Gravett is my father who is married to Janet. Jim and Gloria have (as far as I know) always been in Brighton - certainly my dad grew up there, close to Whitehawk, but more around the Freshfield Road direction. I remember as a child, we were the only Gravett's in the phone book. I imagine there must be a connection somewhere?

By Paul Gravett (moog) (29/07/2008)

Hello Paul Gravett, no I am not a member of the Gravett family, I have never used my computer to do anything like this before. I had previously had been looking for Woodingdean School, then came upon the article about the Gravetts. Your Father lived as a boy in Kipling Avenue in Woodingdean, in a Prefab, I lived with my Mum, Dad and Brother in Lockwood Crescent. When the new houses were built in Craven Vale in about 1953. My family and your Grandparents became neighbours with the Herriotts living on the other side of them. I moved away in 1968 after getting married. Your Father was always known as Jimmy.

By Pat Cook ( Previously Denyer ) (09/08/2008)

Hi I have recently been looking at the name Gravett to see if there are any of my family still around. My father's name was Michael William Gravett married to Susan Norma Bishop but then divorced. I was born 11/12/1965. My grandfather's name was William Gravett but I do not know my grandmother's name. I do not know anything else about that side of my family apart from my grandfather re-married a lady called Rosemary. My grandfather last lived in Craven Court, John Street, Brighton and died in Sept / Oct 1989. My father last lived in May Road, Brighton and died at the age of 53 in December 1989. Can anyone help me to see if I have any relatives? I am an only child and wanted to know if there is anyone else that I am related to on my father's side. Thanks.

By Marion Edwards (17/10/2008)

In the 50s and 60s I had a friend named David Gravett. He lived near the Duke of York's cinema. His father had a business in Brighton. Unfortunately I moved away with my job and we lost contact. I would love to know what happened to him.

By john farrell (20/10/2008)

I previously placed a comment in regards to finding any other relatives, and have since found out that my grandfather William Gravett used to work in The Old Ship Hotel Brighton in the cellars and that my step grandmother worked in the Royal Pavilion as a cleaner. My Father Michael Gravett was in the Navy when he met my mother Susan Norma Bishop. He then drove for Brighton bus company, then was a postman in the sorting office until he died in Dec 1989. I was born in 1965 and lived in old Shoreham Road (No 47 I think) then our family moved to May Road Brighton (top of Elm Grove). Would anyone know them or of them and be able to help me to find out if I have any relatives out there somewhere.

By Marion Edwards (28/10/2008)

Regarding the Gravetts: I seem to have lots of Gravetts in my tree from Brighton area, going back to Mark Edwards who was with (not sure if they married) Elizabeth Gravett (mid 1800s) and they had lots of children.

By Julia Wright (06/11/2008)

I am researching my Redman family tree who were centred round Horsham about 1800 onwards. William and Thomas who married Jane Sturt and they had my Grandfather Maurice born 1872. Is anyone related to me out there?

By Victoria Manning nee redman (23/11/2008)

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