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The Dyke Railway

Exploring the route of the old Dyke Railway: Part IX
By Peter Groves
Photo:The team arrive at the rear of Sherbourne Way
Photo:17th Hove Scout HQ
Photo:Present HQ opened 22nd September 1973
Photo:17th Hove Cub Scouts HQ, built c. 1973 on top of the Dyke Railway
Photo:The side of the hill was excavated by the navvies  to provide a level route towards the Dyke
Photo:Virtual, Sherbourne Road, the angular boundary alignment top/centre indicates the route of the old railway
Photo:Sherbourne Road, the old railway ran through the gap between the first 2 houses, centre of photo
Photo:St Helens view from the Dyke Railway c. 1890

The ride along to Sherbourne Road is easy after the last two difficult hills. The boys then quickly double back into Sherbourne Way and head towards the mysterious long narrow building.  They soon come to a narrow cinder and flint track and the mystery is quickly solved as it leads them to the HQ of 17th Hove Cub Scouts!

17th Hove Club Scouts
The 17th Hove Cub Scouts were founded in September 1955, and initially they used St. Helens hall as their club HQ.  They moved to the present site, built on top of the old Dyke Railway, in September 1973.  Currently they have over 40 members, who meet every week at the HQ.  One of their favourite activities is to walk the route of the old Dyke Railway!

The existing environment
The cinder and flint access track to the scouts HQ is bounded by the steep back gardens of Spencer Avenue, which fall away to the west, and the equally steep back gardens of Poplar Avenue, which rise above the track to the east.  This is no natural geographical phenomenon; the side of the hill was excavated by the navvies who constructed the Dyke Railway line to provide a level route across the Downs.

Checking the virtual map
Teirnan boots up the laptop and zooms in to examine the detail of the virtual view.  Pete points out the strange boundary alignment between the gardens of Sherbourne Road and Hangleton Way.  It's clear that no developer would have planned to build this plot with such an unusual boundary arrangement.  Of course the reason is simple, it's due to the route of the Dyke Railway!  The houses to the east side of the boundary were built around 1960, while the houses to the west were built around 1967, leaving evidence of the old line between the two.

 

This page was added on 28/12/2009.

Comments about this page

Not sure I agree with your explanation of the differing alignment of the gardens. Perhaps a visit to the Records Office in Lewes might be worth while.

By Pipin Hove (10/01/2010)

Hi Pipin, thanks for your comments, I'm always interested in alternative opinion about the old Dyke Railway. While my info did not come from the Lewes Records office, (probably Hove Planning Dpt would have the Dyke Railway and house building plans) I'm very sure of the fact/accuracy about the alignment of the gardens. I've used four sources for my info about the strange alignment. However firstly seeing your comment, I double checked; more accuratly I now believe that the angular fence boundary shown on my "Maps Live" photo, was the LH border of the Dyke Railway, not the centre line of the Dyke Railway track. The four sources are as follows: a) The view of the area on Google Earth, you will see the alignment of the Dyke Railway as it passes through 17th Hove Cub Scouts, then its continuation on the Dyke Railway Trail. If you follow the curve of these two (which are definatley the Dyke Railway) you will see that the curve matches the strange boundary. b) I have the large scale OS map of the area c.1933, it shows the exact route of the Dyke Railway, of course before those houses were there! If you overlay the 1933 OS map with Google Earth, the route matches exactly with the strange boundary. c) If you are still not convinced please check out James Gray photos on the net, there are around five fasinating photos that state that the old line passed through this exact spot. You can find one photo here http://regencysociety-jamesgray.com/volume37/source/jg_37_098.html however please check them all, in particular the aerial one. d) Lastly, I lived in the area in the late 1950s and the 1960s. Although I'm far too young to remember the houses built on the corner of the top on Poplar Ave in the late 50s, I do remember that below those corner houses (built on top of the Dyke Railway) was farmland. This, and the James Gray website, confirm the land was purchased at two different times for house building, and that as I said much earlier in my story "Property can change ownership many times, but boundarys rarely change". All the best to the lads for the final push to the Dyke.

By Peter Groves (13/01/2010)

My understanding, for what it's worth, is that the Brighton & Hove Golf Course originally came down to Hangleton Way/The Downsman. In the 1950s land to the north-east was purchased by Hove Council for house building, and the golf course was reduced to nine holes. It was much later in the mid to late 1960s, that land to the south-west was purchased for more building.

By John Edwards (17/01/2010)

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