this is for roy grant,searching through messages i found 1 from you 21/1/09 about brigton barracks and a man called vicaars, i think this was peter vickers who was a gunsmith with the royal hussars, you woundered if he was partner in vickers-armstrong. i remember my dad saying his ancester vickers/vicars was involved with inventing a gun but didnt have any money to put into it,